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Steel Industry (Nationalisation) Bill

08 Jun 2026 · Commons Chamber · 99 speeches · Official record

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  1. Judith Cummins

    With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Clauses 52 and 53 stand part. Amendment 8, clause 54, page 35, line 25, leave out “may- (a) require or permit” and insert- “must- (a) require”. See explanatory statement for Amendment 7. Amendment 9, page 35, line 34, at end insert- “(4A) The regulations must- (a) provide that the independent valuer prepares and submits to the Secretary of State a written estimate of the environmental liabilities of that undertaking, including but not lim... Full speech

  2. Luke Myer

    I thank the Minister for giving way again; he is being very generous. He has made a couple of references to the Teesside site, both to the crash closure in 2015 and to the remediation of the land. With that land having now been remediated, immense steel structures are being built there as part of the Government’s carbon capture programme. It was great to be on site recently and to see the progress of that site. The project is using 50% UK steel; of course, Liberty Steel in Hartlepool has benefit... Full speech

  3. Pamela Nash

    When it comes to Dalzell, the SNP Government have not been helpful. They previously stepped in when the steelworks went into administration, and then they sold it to the current owner, who has been less than helpful. Full speech

  4. Chris McDonald

    I am always very happy to receive help from everywhere, but the Scottish Government could help themselves by taking a more proactive approach to nuclear, as the hon. Gentleman identified earlier. The Scottish economy could benefit from that. Let me make some progress. I want to turn to the parts of the Bill that Members have raised in the debate, and thank the hon. Member for Richmond Park (Sarah Olney) and the shadow Minister for the amendments they have tabled. Amendment 4 was one of the amend... Full speech

  5. Judith Cummins

    Order. I remind the hon. Lady that amendment 5 has not been selected and so would be out of scope for this debate. Full speech

  6. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    I think it has been clear throughout these two days of debate that none of us in the House underestimates the importance of the steel industry to our national economy, to our industrial resilience, and to the communities whose livelihoods depend on it. We can all agree that steel matters, and that steel jobs matter. However, we also believe that the responsible stewardship of taxpayers’ money matters, and despite the eloquent way in which the Secretary of State expressed his views on the Bill, w... Full speech

  7. Lee Pitcher

    There is those three lions on my shirt, our NHS, the joy of holding a brolly over a barbie on another washed-out bank holiday Monday, that sweet smell of fish and chips on a Friday, a Mr Whippy on the beach, strawberries and cream at Wimbledon, His Majesty the King, the pageantry of trooping the colour, nil points at Eurovision, Fifa Ultimate Team, “Strictly” at Christmas, a “Gavin and Stacey” special, Monty Python, that Geri Halliwell dress, Phil Mitchell, James Bond, KSI, corgis, Larry the cat... Full speech

  8. Lee Pitcher

    It is really sad that we have got to that point. Does my hon. Friend agree that the whole point of making bold decisions and taking a bit of risk is that it gives people aspiration for the future? It is about getting the next generation of children to set their minds on having jobs and careers in steel and manufacturing, working on the shop floor and having camaraderie. They need to envisage a future in which people have a regular, great income and support their local community and economy. Full speech

  9. Chris McDonald

    I thank my hon. Friend for mentioning the incident last Wednesday at the Port Talbot site. Pickle lines are notoriously susceptible to these sorts of incidents because of the high-temperature hydrochloric acid used to treat the steels. I would imagine that once such a blaze has taken hold, the effects can be absolutely devastating. I want to echo her commendation of the emergency services and the workforce, who are, in this situation, the first responders, protecting life and valuable industrial... Full speech

  10. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    The hon. Gentleman seems to be conflating two issues. Last year, when the emergency legislation was introduced and Parliament was recalled on a Saturday for the first time since the Falklands war, we did not stand in its way, but what we are asking for in the new clause is for Parliament to be kept informed. Let us agree that we all want to be kept informed about how the discussions are going and to find out what the Government are thinking about their exit plan. I made the point yesterday about... Full speech

  11. Mr Toby Perkins

    I agree 100% about the importance of protecting skills, which has been a huge priority of mine throughout my time in this House. The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right that skills have been lost from the sector, as we tragically and foolishly allowed the steel industry to be stripped away, as he rightly pointed out, by the Conservative party. That has been tremendously damaging to our national security, our economy, our industry and, as he rightly says, the skills base in this country. I am very... Full speech

  12. Speaker

    Further considered in Committee (Progress reported, 8 June) Full speech

  13. Speaker

    I absolutely support the Government’s commitment to electric arc as the future of steelmaking, but I would be interested to hear more from the Minister. In this regard and so many others, the key priority in decarbonising our industries is to bring down the cost of electricity. This Government already took an important step in the last Budget, but we must go further if we are to see the sort of expansion in steelmaking that we need. Full speech

  14. Speaker

    New clause 7 would require the Secretary of State to publish a full impact assessment before exercising any power under the Bill, rather than after the fact, or indeed, not at all. We think that before Ministers exercise the sweeping powers in the Bill, with potentially billions of pounds at stake, the least the House should expect is a clear published impact assessment, because good policy begins with good evidence. This is not about slowing down necessary action; it is about making sure that d... Full speech

  15. Speaker

    New clause 9 would place a clear duty on the Secretary of State to actively seek a private sector purchaser for any nationalised steel undertaking and to report to Parliament every six months on the progress made. The Minister has said at the Dispatch Box that he sees the Bill as a potential route to a new private sector investor co-investing alongside the Government, but at the moment, it lacks any credible exit plan. Our new clause would ensure that Ministers actively work towards returning th... Full speech

  16. Speaker

    Taken together, a number of the amendments before us expose the central choice facing the Committee: are we serious about protecting a strategic British industry, or are we going to wrap Government action in so many conditions, caps, delays and automatic routes back to private sale that intervention becomes impossible in practice? That is the choice. Full speech

  17. Speaker

    No one in this debate is arguing that public money should be spent carelessly, that compensation should be unfair, or that taxpayers should sign a blank cheque. Of course value for money and proper scrutiny matter, and Governments must act competently, transparently and responsibly, but there is a difference between scrutiny and paralysis, and I fear that some of the amendments before us cross the line. A strategic industry cannot always be saved on a timetable designed for paperwork rather than... Full speech

  18. Speaker

    New clause 12 is unnecessary and would be restrictive, and amendment 20 would slow down the urgent work needed to save and reinvigorate our steel sector. The amendments that would impose rigid caps on support may sound prudent, but they risk being arbitrary, and the amendments that would delay assistance until further processes have been completed may sound reasonable, but they risk leaving Governments too slow to act when speed is essential. That is why we have to be clear about the principle t... Full speech

  19. Speaker

    The public interest should be the test, rather than ideology, habit, or an automatic knee-jerk assumption that private ownership is always the answer and public ownership must only be temporary. The test is simple. We need to ask: “What protects the national interest, the workforce, the community, and Britain’s long-term industrial capability?” If that is public ownership, we should have the confidence to say so, and if it is a long-term British industrial partner, we should consider it at the r... Full speech

  20. Speaker

    The British Government will always behave responsibly with private assets, so having an independent valuation that the Government will stand by is incredibly important. It is important that we would not seek to make changes or interfere in any way with the independent valuation. We would of course expect the valuer to take into account the business environment in which the company operates. As we have discussed many times in this House, issues such as trade and regulation affect the financial pe... Full speech

  21. Speaker

    Limit on expenditure on financial assistance and compensation Full speech

  22. Speaker

    Clauses 58 to 60 ordered to stand part of the Bill . Full speech

  23. Speaker

    Question put, That the clause be read a Second time. Full speech

  24. Speaker

    Clause s 61 to 64 ordered to stand part of the Bill. Full speech

  25. Speaker

    Question put, That the clause be read a Second time. Full speech

  26. Speaker

    Bill, not amended in the Committee, considered. Full speech

  27. Speaker

    “(1) The total amount of compensation paid by the Secretary of State under Part 2 and financial assistance paid under section 58 is limited to- Full speech

  28. Speaker

    (b) an amount so authorised by resolution of the House of Commons, whichever is higher .”-(Sarah Olney.) Full speech

  29. Lola McEvoy

    In my constituency of Darlington, we know the economic importance of the steel industry, and many of my constituents bear the scars of the Conservative party’s unwavering worship of the global free market. Regardless of the social, economic, community or security costs, they badly let us down. The last Government refused to step in for our highly skilled essential steel workers in Redcar, leading to the loss of thousands of jobs and the closure of a 170-year-old industry, and thousands more jobs... Full speech

  30. Edward Argar

    My hon. Friend and I have both been Ministers; we know that a written ministerial statement is not a complicated thing to do every three or four months or whatever it is. I struggle to see what reason there could be not to give Parliament that transparency, for the simple sake of a piece of paper tabled once every three months, to ensure that taxpayers’ interests are protected. Full speech

  31. Richard Tice

    The hon. Gentleman talks about the opportunities from an electric arc furnace, but does he recognise the vital importance of keeping blast furnace primary steelmaking capability, which can only take place in Scunthorpe? Full speech

  32. Judith Cummins

    Under the Order of the House of 21 May, we shall now move to the Committee of the whole House. I remind Members that in Committee they should not address the Chair as “Deputy Speaker”. Please use our names when addressing the Chair. “Madam Chair, “Chair” and “Madam Chairman” are also acceptable. Clause 52 Compensation scheme regulations Full speech

  33. Lee Pitcher

    I absolutely agree. This is not about heritage or the sentimental value of steel, although those things are of course important. Steel means something to people in their hearts, but, with a business brain, this is just about doing the right thing for the industry and for our country, our people and our communities. Steel is part of who we are. It is in the homes we need to build, the railways we need to renew, the energy infrastructure we need to deliver and the defence capability we need to pro... Full speech

  34. Pamela Nash

    I appreciate my hon. Friend’s enthusiasm for the publication of the defence investment plan, but I do not think it is within the scope of this Bill and it is definitely above my pay grade as a Parliamentary Private Secretary to Defence Ministers. Finally, I want to see Dalzell again supporting a vibrant workforce, providing safe, well-paid, high-quality jobs to local people and being able to develop apprentices for the next generation of steel processing in Scotland. I want to see income investm... Full speech

  35. Sarah Olney

    It would take just hours to do that. All we are asking for is a safeguard. Without any kind of safeguard, what does the hon. Lady think would be an acceptable amount for the Government to offer in exchange for taking on a steel undertaking? Does she think that no limit at all would be acceptable? We are merely proposing that a motion should be laid before Parliament to be voted on, and that does not take much time. Full speech

  36. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    I actually think the hon. Gentleman is also agreeing with me on this point. I yield to no one in my admiration for the Minister and his expertise in this industry, but I heard the hon. Gentleman say that he too thinks that it will take business nous and investment into this business to bring it back to a state where it is making money. I also heard him say that he would therefore not object to hearing a report to Parliament every six months about the progress being made, so I look forward to him... Full speech

  37. Chris McDonald

    Thank you, Ms Nokes. Perhaps it would be helpful for me to take the second intervention and respond just once. Full speech

  38. Caroline Nokes

    I am going to allow the Minister to respond, but I am not going to allow this to turn into a debate on tariffs and how they may or may not impact individual companies around the entire country, which I fear is where we are headed. Full speech

  39. Sarah Olney

    That is not the specific purpose of the amendment, but I am glad that the hon. Member has raised that point. I know that the Minister has heard about this issue on a number of occasions, throughout the debates on this Bill and during the urgent question last week in the Chamber. I would like to take this opportunity to reinforce the point that has been made on multiple occasions across this House about the tariff regime and the changes that are coming in. I have spoken to a number of manufacture... Full speech

  40. Chris McDonald

    I agree that procurement has an important role to play here. I am sure that my hon. Friend will have welcomed recent changes in guidance by the Cabinet Office to ensure that British steel producers are well placed to win these orders, as well as in the areas of renewable energy, where the Government are awarding significant contracts, and nuclear power, where we are again endeavouring to ensure that British companies are well placed to win those contracts. I turn to amendment 22 and new clauses ... Full speech

  41. Mr Toby Perkins

    When I asked the shadow Minister, the hon. Member for West Worcestershire (Dame Harriett Baldwin), about this point, it was instructive that we heard her resort to saying, “It is just about being kept in touch.” The new clauses say that the private sector is always the way to go, but we know from our long history with the steel industry that that idea has often led to private companies coming in, mismanaging or indeed closing British steelmaking companies, and us seeing sovereign capability disa... Full speech

  42. Pamela Nash

    Would the shadow Minister consider that putting a limit on this, when the financial support would only be provided in an emergency, when absolutely necessary, might be unwise and might lead us to having to recall Parliament yet again to take the necessary action? Full speech

  43. Caroline Nokes

    Order. Mr Stone, we are here to debate the steel industry, not new nuclear or the pros and cons of the Scottish Government. Perhaps it is better if we stay within the confines of this Bill. Full speech

  44. Mr Toby Perkins

    The hon. Lady is making a very important and interesting point. In the steel industry over recent years, we have seen foreign companies buying British firms, then closing them down and leaving us without this capability. Would anything in new clause 9 prevent that from happening again? Having forced the Government to seek this buyer, is there anything in it to stop that buyer coming in and just closing the business down, meaning we lose that sovereign capability? Full speech

  45. Sarah Olney

    We heard throughout yesterday’s debate from Members across the Committee about the importance of steelmaking as a vital strategic sector in the UK, and no doubt we will hear about it again today. We rely on the sector for essential parts of our national infrastructure, for transport and for advanced manufacturing. Steelmaking and the industry more broadly create thousands of good jobs across the country, helping to power our economy and boost our local communities, and in increasingly uncertain ... Full speech

  46. Richard Tice

    The shadow Minister seems to be implying that, essentially, the business should be up for sale at any moment, almost at any price. It is incredibly destabilising for any business and its employees to suffer that uncertainty. What is required is a period of stability and investment, with a strong vision. She previously made comments about relying on auditors at the National Audit Office to make a strategic judgment about what is in the sovereign national interest. With the greatest of respect to ... Full speech

  47. Paul Waugh

    Simply to follow up, Ms Nokes, on the point the Minister was making about exemptions for individual companies, Hanson Springs in Rochdale relies heavily on imports of steel of a particular length. Will the Minister reassure us that, as with the shadow Minister, he will be engaging with many businesses to ensure that they are not hit by tariffs and that the Bill will not harm them? Full speech

  48. Becky Gittins

    I welcome the contributions from both sides of the House, in particular from the hon. Member for Brigg and Immingham (Martin Vickers). Like him, I represent an industrial constituency. My constituency in north Wales sadly holds the record, in any western country, for the largest number of industrial redundancies in one day. I think it speaks to all the constituencies affected that that goes through not just generations, but families-different generations of the same family. Many of my constituen... Full speech

  49. Pamela Nash

    I completely agree with my hon. Friend. That is certainly the experience we have had in Motherwell in my constituency, where a questionable buyer for Dalzell has caused many problems. I will go into that later in my speech. I am disappointed, and surprised, that the Liberal Democrats are seeking an even more restrictive limit on potential support. For us, Motherwell became the unwilling emblem of the Tories letting the steel industry down in the 1980s, with the closure of Ravenscraig and the sub... Full speech

  50. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    We are looking at a Bill that the Government’s own impact assessment says might have a bit of a “chilling effect” on inward investment into the sector. We should all want to have inward investment into our economy. If someone who we regard as an excellent owner of this business should come in and make an offer that is attractive to the Government, I absolutely think the Government should be prepared to take that seriously. We do not want this to be a permanent state of affairs; we want it to be ... Full speech

  51. Jamie Stone

    Nuclear is going to play a role in cheaper energy for households, and I welcome the Government’s announcement there will be an array of small modular reactors that will have to be made out of British steel. Equally, I regret the fact that offshore wind turbines are being built not in this country; they should be built here, out of British steel. When I worked in the oil fabrication industry, we had thousands of trained welders. Today, we do not have so many people who could actually work with Br... Full speech

  52. Dr Scott Arthur

    The hon. Lady is right to say that her party is under new leadership, but what did that leadership think about the decision to sell British Steel to Jingye? What did the leadership think of the net zero policies that the hon. Lady blames for the current situation? What did the Leader of the Opposition think of them when she was in government, and what did she do to oppose them? Full speech

  53. Martin Vickers

    As Members will be aware, part of the Scunthorpe steelworks site falls within my Brigg and Immingham constituency. As such, hundreds of my constituents work there, and hundreds more are employed in the supply chain. With that in mind, I made it known to my constituents a number of weeks ago that I would support this Bill. It could have been improved, and the Opposition tabled some perfectly sensible amendments, which I supported. However, having got to this stage, I think it is only right that w... Full speech

  54. Richard Tice

    The hon. Lady is making a very powerful case for the importance of the heavy plate mill in her constituency, and of having the right owners of critical steelmaking capability and the functions around it. What we have seen with the failed ownership of Jingye, and with the failed ownership and fibs of companies such as Liberty, is that if we rely on an unaligned basis, without any care for the strategic importance of steelmaking, we end up in the pickle that we are in. That is why I think the hon.... Full speech

  55. Cat Eccles

    It is a huge pleasure to speak in a debate on a Bill to nationalise British Steel, reversing one of the many mistakes of the Thatcher Government in the 1980s. I will speak against new clause 9, in the name of the hon. Member for West Worcestershire (Dame Harriett Baldwin), which would seek a private buyer for the nationalised British Steel company. It is absolutely right that the Government are taking action to nationalise British Steel and set out a clear strategy to strengthen domestic product... Full speech

  56. Peter Kyle

    I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. This Government believe in Britain’s steel future. This Bill will help to transform that belief into a reality. It will ensure that the long-term vision for our UK steel sector is realised, helping to restore domestic production to sustainable levels and to support this Government’s economic growth plans. This Bill provides powers for the Government to bring steel companies into public ownership, subject to the public interest test being m... Full speech

  57. Sarah Olney

    The hon. Lady referred specifically to our new clause. Does she not accept that we are merely asking for a further parliamentary vote if the proposed consideration for transfer exceeds a certain level, and that that is a sensible and workable way forward? Not only do we need to be open to the possibility of enabling the Government to take steel into national hands, but taxpayers’ interests need to be protected, and Parliament needs to have oversight of any decision of that nature. Full speech

  58. Chris McDonald

    I am grateful to the hon. Member for taking the trouble to make that intervention. A number of Members have talked about downstream steel, so although it is not precisely within the scope of this Bill-and, in fact, I do not think those impact assessments would address that point-perhaps I could address their comments. Members have mentioned several different companies. This morning, I had a very constructive discussion with the shadow Minister, the hon. Member for West Worcestershire (Dame Harri... Full speech

  59. Chris McDonald

    I thank my hon. Friend for his work as chair of the all-party parliamentary group for steel and metals-related industries. The Treasury is responsible for the carbon border adjustment mechanism and is consulting extremely carefully with the industry on that. I am sure that the Treasury will have heard his remarks and will take them into account. Amendments 7 to 9 relate primarily to some of the environmental liabilities. The issue also arose in yesterday’s debate, where there were concerns about... Full speech

  60. Peter Kyle

    With the leave of the House, I would like to thank my hon. Friend the Member for Darlington (Lola McEvoy) for her passionate speech and my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd East (Becky Gittins) for her heartfelt speech just now. Those are the kinds of contributions that give heart and soul to what we are trying to achieve, and that give voice to the communities affected. I also pay tribute to the hon. Member for Brigg and Immingham (Martin Vickers) for his contribution. I commend the Bill to the ... Full speech

  61. David Smith

    My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. He has just made the point that I wanted to make, which is that we surely cannot make an ideological decision that it is always right to put national assets of sovereign capacity back into the private sector when, over generations, private industry has singularly failed to make the steel industry flourish. Does my hon. Friend agree? Full speech

  62. Luke Myer

    The Minister is right in what he says about trade. On amendment 6, however, industry is concerned that phasing out free allowances before the new CBAM is fully tested risks exposing UK industry to carbon leakage. Does he agree that the new CBAM must be robustly designed and implemented to genuinely level the playing field for industry? Full speech

  63. Sarah Olney

    I beg to ask leave to withdraw amendment 7. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clauses 52 to 57 ordered to stand part of the Bill. Clause 58 Financial assistance Amendment proposed: 20, page 39, line 7, at end insert- “(1A) The Secretary of State may only provide financial assistance under this section if they are satisfied that financial assistance will secure value for money.”-( Dame H arriet t Baldwin. ) Question put, That the amendment be made. Full speech

  64. Speaker

    This new clause would limit the financial assistance that can be provided under the Act. Full speech

  65. Sarah Olney

    I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, not least for underlining the real importance of the steel industry to our defence industry and the heightened importance of sustaining our defence industry, and all the companies and the jobs associated with it, in this time of heightened global instability. Liberal Democrat Members certainly believe that support for our defence industry is paramount at this time, but it is important that Parliament gets the opportunity to scrutinise all the costs associated... Full speech

  66. Speaker

    “Financial assistance of a total value of no more than £2.5 billion may be provided under section 58 of this Act before 15 August 2029.”- (Dame Harriett Baldwin.) Full speech

  67. Helena Dollimore

    I recently met a local steel business to discuss this issue and how it can source more British steel in line with the principles of the Bill. It raised with me a keen desire to source as much as possible in Britain, but it is not sure if it can actually source all the products it needs in Britain. It mentioned hot rolled coil as one example. The business is called Fowle & Co. and it would be great if the Minister could commit for his officials to meet my local business and hear its experience. Full speech

  68. Mr Calvin Bailey

    My hon. Friend has been speaking about the steel strategy in the round. I wish to echo his remarks about the lower part of our defence sector, but there are also our small and medium-sized enterprises that make things that are not necessarily identifiable as tangible defence things. We need to ensure that we understand the types of steel that they require and the consequences of the tariffs on them. It is also important that we understand the steelmaking strategy as a whole, so from ore all the ... Full speech

  69. Lincoln Jopp

    This is not my specialist subject, so I ask the Minister to bear with me. Thames Covers in Shepperton in my Spelthorne constituency, which is a boat fitter, has been told that the cost of stainless steel tubing will go up by 50% from 1 July because of a new tariff kicking in. As I understand it, the tariff is to encourage people to buy British Steel, but the trouble is that British Steel does not make stainless steel tubing, so it will add a huge cost. The Minister says the Bill is not about ind... Full speech

  70. Chris McDonald

    I am aware of the issue with the springs company raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Rochdale (Paul Waugh). I think it is particularly an issue around 13 metre bars. My office is arranging a meeting with the company concerned. I am also aware of the issue on hot rolled coil and am addressing that, too. Full speech

  71. Mr Toby Perkins

    Yes, I do. I should say to the hon. Gentleman that I had the opportunity last night to predict that he would be the leader of Reform by the time we went into the general election, and I stand by that. We would normally expect to see a party leader in the House of Commons. We never see the Reform leader, the hon. Member for Clacton (Nigel Farage), in the House of Commons, which is why I predicted that it would be the hon. Member for Boston and Skegness (Richard Tice)-but I am getting distracted a... Full speech

  72. Sarah Olney

    Thank you for your guidance, Madam Chair. I will reframe my remarks slightly, because they relate to the intervention that I took. Steel producers in the UK are heavily integrated into international supply chains, and continued access to frictionless or improved export arrangements is vital for sustaining jobs and production. From 1 July, the Government will limit tariff-free steel imports. Although in many ways that will support business, there is a lack of certainty about costs and the impact ... Full speech

  73. Jessica Morden

    Although Plaid Cymru Members are not present, another Welsh Member is. With the Minister mentioning the available funding, I will take the opportunity to raise a topical matter with him, which is the catastrophic fire that took place on the pickle line last week in Port Talbot. I want to put on the record our thanks to the emergency services and the steelworkers who worked so hard to contain it, as I know from my hon. Friend the Member for Aberafan Maesteg (Stephen Kinnock). The work is now bein... Full speech

  74. Pamela Nash

    I share the vision of my hon. Friend, and that is exactly what I for Dalzell in Motherwell. At the moment we have staff who are worried each month about whether they are going to get paid, as they see troubling headlines and hear rumours about their parent company. I am becoming increasingly concerned about the mental health and wellbeing of the team, who have been left in an impossible limbo. Most of them want to be back in the workplace, in a job that they are proud of, and to be contributing ... Full speech

  75. Sarah Olney

    I beg to move amendment 7, page 34, line 15, at end insert- “(5A) Compensation scheme regulations must include provision which specifies that payment of compensation may be made until any written estimate under section 54 (4A) is laid before Parliament.” This amendment works with Amendments 8 and 9 so as to require regulations to specify that payment of compensation cannot be made until the Secretary of State has published a written estimate of the environmental liabilities of the steel undertak... Full speech

  76. Mr Toby Perkins

    Thank you very much, Madam Chair-that was a pleasant surprise. I do not intend to detain the Committee for long, but I will take this opportunity to welcome the Government’s steps in the Bill, which build on the steps that we took with the emergency legislation that ensured a future for Scunthorpe. We all recognise that steelmaking is part of our national security. Without steel capability, we are simply unable to be truly independent in military terms or in many other terms. The commitment of t... Full speech

  77. Pamela Nash

    I thank the hon. Gentleman for his very helpful intervention. For the reasons I have set out, we are getting to the point where we are losing experienced staff and equipment is in danger of going out of date. Time is running out very quickly for Dalzell. If it is left to close up shop, we will not be able simply to go back later and restart it. I have no intention of being the Member of Parliament who sees the closure of the last steelworks in Scotland, and I know the Minister has no intention o... Full speech

  78. Mr Toby Perkins

    I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend, who clearly speaks with great knowledge on these subjects. He makes an important point, once again raising the importance of this whole area of legislation to the defence industry and to sovereign capability. The reality is that our defence industry is crucial economically, for jobs and for our national protection, but also for exports. We should absolutely welcome those British manufacturers making things here and selling them across the world. If we inad... Full speech

  79. Jamie Stone

    The hon. Member speaks with passion and cares about her constituents. It seems that what she is saying is in parallel with my earlier intervention about the risk of losing the skills of working with steel-welding and suchlike. Does she share my disappointment, but perhaps not surprise, that there is no member of the Scottish National party with us today? We know that the Scottish Government set their face against all new nuclear in Scotland, but we would welcome an SMR at Dounreay in Caithness. ... Full speech

  80. Caroline Nokes

    Before we proceed to the next business, I have a short statement to make. I have received a report from the Tellers in the No Lobby on the Division that took place in Committee of the whole House at 8.27 pm yesterday on new clause 2 to the Steel Industry (Nationalisation) Bill. The hon. Members for Bangor Aberconwy (Claire Hughes) and for Wells and Mendip Hills (Tessa Munt) have informed me that the number of no votes was erroneously reported as 257, rather than 251. I will direct the Clerk to c... Full speech

  81. Luke Myer

    I have seen in our all-party parliamentary group on steel and metals-related industries how my hon. Friend is such a tenacious and tireless champion for her part of the world and the steelworkers in it. She mentioned defence earlier in her speech. Does she agree with me that we really need the Government to bring forward the defence investment plan, that its focus really needs to be on making sure that steel jobs benefit across the UK, including in Scotland and in Teesside, and that small and me... Full speech

  82. Mr Toby Perkins

    I think the hon. Lady is in the same place as the Government, in that they want to see an excellent private sector partner at the earliest opportunity. The point I was trying to make is that she would be compelling the Government, in new clause 9, to seek this provider, and we have seen what has sometimes happened previously. Is she saying that, ultimately, we must do whatever the market decides, or is she basically supporting the Government’s position that this sovereign capability must remain ... Full speech

  83. Pamela Nash

    If we brought the Government to Parliament every time we wanted them to intervene when there was an emergency, we would not be able to react effectively, so I do not accept that that is necessary. Full speech

  84. Mr Calvin Bailey

    Perhaps I can give the hon. Lady a moment to gauge where she is in her notes while I take her back momentarily to amendment 7. She spoke about the importance of steel to our defence industry, which is therefore central to European security and to deterring the threat of Russian rearmament, but amendment 7 would produce significant procedural barriers and slow down our ability to use the Bill. Does she agree that such amendments risk causing serious impediments to supply-chain security, particula... Full speech

  85. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    My right hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I know the Minister to be an extremely reasonable man, so I am sure he will agree with our amendment. New clause 12 would place a firm cap on the total financial assistance that can be provided under the Bill, limiting it to £2.5 billion. As I am sure the hon. Member for Motherwell, Wishaw and Carluke (Pamela Nash) and other Members know, that is the limit that has been set for the steel strategy, so to reach that limit would mean that this intervent... Full speech

  86. Chris McDonald

    Just like yesterday, this second day of debate has been incredibly considered and collaborative. I very much thank everyone for contributing, just as they did yesterday. Having listened very carefully to the debate, I think many of the proposed amendments and new clauses fall into categories to do with the good use of public money in relation to valuations and liabilities, and to the role of this Parliament in scrutiny and reporting. I say at the outset, and I think this was put quite well by my... Full speech

  87. Caroline Nokes

    Order. I just want to make it clear that I did allow some latitude, but this is a debate on the nationalisation of the steel industry, not tariffs. Full speech

  88. Chris McDonald

    Okay. I am happy to give way and we will see what the Members have to say. Full speech

  89. Pamela Nash

    It is an absolute pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Doncaster East and the Isle of Axholme (Lee Pitcher). What a passionate speech-I hope I can do half as well as him. At the outset, I should state that I am a long-term and proud member of Community trade union. I thoroughly welcome the Bill, which takes additional steps forward from the legislation we passed last year. I am especially happy that the Bill is UK-wide and covers Scotland, too. I want to touch on my concerns regardin... Full speech

  90. Jamie Stone

    I assure the Chamber that I shall not mention power of any particular sort. Will the Minister, if he has not done so, think about having a word with the Scottish Government and how they might help him in his endeavours? Full speech

  91. Pamela Nash

    This legislation is designed for extraordinary situations, so we are going to have to agree to disagree on that point. Motherwell remains the home of steel in Scotland. While the immediate and particular focus of the Bill is, understandably, on the manufacturer British Steel, I want to take the opportunity to highlight the plight of what is currently our only Scottish steelworks: the Dalzell plate mill. The Bill suggests three potential factors that can be considered in the assessment of whether... Full speech

  92. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    It is a bit rich to be lectured on support for party leadership from someone on the Labour Benches, so I will move on swiftly. This Bill sets a precedent. Indeed, the Government’s own impact assessment says that expropriating assets in this way risks undermining the investor confidence that we need at this precise moment, when the UK needs to attract inward investment into strategic industries. Throughout our Committee considerations, we have sought to improve this legislation to introduce bette... Full speech

  93. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    Yesterday we discussed amendments in which we sought to rein in some of the unfettered powers that the Secretary of State is taking for himself in this legislation. Today’s amendments are about trying to rein in the unfettered liability and financial risk that this legislation puts on the taxpayer. For example, amendment 20 would allow the Secretary of State to provide financial assistance if the National Audit Office has concluded that it would secure value for money for taxpayers. The amendmen... Full speech

  94. Richard Tice

    The root cause of why we have the Bill is that the previous Conservative Government sold this business to Jingye in 2019. Another root cause is net zero, which was introduced by the Conservative Government. Surely what the Conservative party should do is show some humility about why we are here and support the Bill. Full speech

  95. Paul Waugh

    On that point, will the Minister give way? Full speech

  96. Mr Toby Perkins

    I was just about to finish, but if my hon. Friend thinks that it cannot wait, I will happily bring him in. Full speech

  97. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    I take issue with where the hon. Member is coming from on that, because by putting a sensible and finite limit on the amount per employee-and I will speak later to another amendment where we propose an overall limit-we are talking about the amount that has been set by the Chancellor through the spending review envelope. I do not think she really wants to say to the Committee that there should be completely unlimited budgets for this intervention. She herself would know that in any intervention w... Full speech

  98. Mr Toby Perkins

    I am interested in what the hon. Member has had to say on amendment 6. She spoke specifically with regard to steel making. Has she also had representations about the impact of these tariffs on UK manufacturers who make things out of steel, as well as on steel stockholders? Is it her intention through the amendment to get further information on that, or is that not its purpose? Full speech

  99. Dame Harriett Baldwin

    Surely what the hon. Member should do is welcome the fact that our party is under new and outstanding leadership. We believe that politicians should not be in the business of running commercial enterprises, but I can see that that is the political position of the Reform party. The risks of inefficiency, political interference and poor capital allocation are very well known. Full speech